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Ionia was the birthplace of philosophy, giving the world many of the most famous so-called Presocratic philosophers : Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes, collectively called the Milesians (Miletus) ; Heraclitus (Ephesus) ; Pythagoras (Samos) ; Xenophanes (Colophon) ; Anaxagoras (Clazomenæ). Indeed, Presocratic philosophy is usually presented as opposing the so-called Ionian philosopher on the one hand, '''more concerned with physics and natural sciences''', and the Italic schools on the other hand, dominated by Parmenides and the Eleans, followed by the first Sicilian masters of rhetoric (Tisias of Syracuses, Gorgias of Leontini), more concerned with logic, language and the art of speech.  
Ionia was the birthplace of philosophy, giving the world many of the most famous so-called Presocratic philosophers : Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes, collectively called the Milesians (Miletus) ; Heraclitus (Ephesus) ; Pythagoras (Samos) ; Xenophanes (Colophon) ; Anaxagoras (Clazomenæ). Indeed, Presocratic philosophy is usually presented as opposing the so-called Ionian philosopher on the one hand, '''more concerned with physics and natural sciences''', and the Italic schools on the other hand, dominated by Parmenides and the Eleans, followed by the first Sicilian masters of rhetoric (Tisias of Syracuses, Gorgias of Leontini), more concerned with logic, language and the art of speech.  
I started in italy and went to the right 1582.89 miles and down 304.48 miles.  (5874.61 + 1161.79 - 543.55 - 4909.96 = 1582.89rt, 1049.62-153.48-652.2-548.42 = 304.48 down (negitive number since i started with up))  I ended up in Turkey and extrapolated Ionia from that.  Mostly a guess though.
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Revision as of 16:04, 29 January 2007

Confirmation of a "puzzle within a puzzle" is confirmed in two locations.

In the FAQ, Loki says:

"... but I'll let you in on a little secret. If you are the first person to find and solve my secret puzzle, you can have your name engraved and immortalized on an AMD chip for a production run through March 31, 2007."

The Rules state:

"Meta Puzzle Bonus: The first individual to correctly solve the Meta Puzzle will automatically receive the AMD Signature Chip Bonus, which means their name will be inscribed on each AMD Athlon 64 FX chip manufactured from the time of the award through March 31, 2007. If you are deemed the recipient of this Meta Puzzle Bonus, follow the instructions presented at time of notification or receipt. This Bonus has no cash value."

It is unknown at this time whether or not any of the clues in the original cypher, Video-Ignition, Video-Loki, puzzle mailings, or any other pre-awareness text and images relate to the Meta Puzzle. However, it is highly likely that the Video-Loki contains additional clues, since the video is now on the main Vanishing Point page, and has puzzle-like elements that have yet to be explained by the pre-awareness phase.




Finishing all of the Week 1 Puzzles gives a congratulatory e-mail from Loki. At the end of the video, the string "on_the_run" flashes on the screen. Going to this directory [1] on the Vanishing Point game's server yields the following message:

Good, you’re paying attention.

You’ve found something that very few others will…

This page is not part of the challenge to give away a trip into space….it’s something different.

When I was hired to build the Vanishing Point, I realized it was an opportunity to build something personal that I’ve been trying to find a way to build for many years now, and that if players were smart enough to get through the puzzle suites, they might also be smart enough to help me with this.

So let’s see if you can help. In return, I have one amazing bonus prize to give away.

If you are the first person in the world to help me find my own vanishing point, I will print your name on the actual casing of every AMD Athlon 64 FX computer chip manufactured between now and March 31, 2007.

When the time is right, I’ll ask you a question. For now, follow this trail to get the word it leads to.

Contact me.

By "Contact Me" she means send a email to loki[at]vanishingpointgame.com, doing so gets you the reply:

Life is a mix of work and play. You've found play... ~L

So, if @vanishingpointgame.com is Play, then @microsoft.com is Work, right? Perhaps, doing so gets you the reply:

Hmmm. Not quite what I had in mind. Try harder - then listen closely. ~L

Which was sent from v-loki@microsoft.com

If you called Microsoft and asked an operator to be transferred to v-Loki, you'll get the following message:

"Awesome work. All knowledge eventually needs effective diagnosis."

Which leads to http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/awakened.

You're given another phone number. When you call it, you have to provide a fax number. When you do, you get this fax document Image-Itinerary for L KITSUNE.jpg
Text reads:

Itinerary for: L Kitsune

Date Flight Depart Arrive
Jan 4 AW 291 12:05p 2:22p
Jan 11 SW 608 7:00p 8:05p
Jan 18 AA 1308 1:45p 6:40p
Jan 24 UA 373/339 9:15a 1:07p

Jan 28 AK 394 9:55a 12:08p

That last number, 12:08p is circled, and handwritten under it is the following:

Former AT&T Bldg.
x55654


The flights are:

  • AW 291 - America West - Seattle to Las Vegas
  • SW 608 - Southwest - Las Vegas to Los Angeles
  • AA 1308 - American Airlines - Los Angeles to Austin, TX
  • UA 373/339 - United Airlines - Austin, TX to Denver to Seattle
  • AK 394 - Alaska Air - Seattle to San Jose, CA


The former AT&T building located in San Jose is AMD's headquarters. Call their main number (408-749-4000) and use the x55654 extention and you get a recording.

Hi, this is Loki. Or rather her electronic footprint left behind on this machine.

Funny how the inanimate world retains traces of things long after they've disappeared, isn't it?.

If you're calling about the murmuring rock project, it's on hold indefinitely ... unfortunately.

Here is a recording of it http://www.windowsconnected.com/files/folders/misc/entry5565.aspx

Searching the internet for "Murmuring Rock" yields information about Lorelei, which is both rich in folklore, and fills in the missing part of the itinerary. It appears that Loki is the nickname of Lorelei Kitsune.

The trail appears to go cold here. Loki said earlier, "When the time is right, I’ll ask you a question. For now, follow this trail to get the word it leads to." It appears that "Lorelei" is that word. Now ... we wait.




At the end of Week Two's puzzles, a new video from Loki appears, in which she talks about her experience with the recruiters at Microsoft. At the end, the word "/collectionplate" pops up. Going to vanishingpointgame.com/collectionplate tells you that when the time is right, Loki will ask for a word. It then shows how many boxes (see Collection Plate) you have found. Presumably, finding all 36 (9 per week) will unlock the next stage of the Meta Puzzle.

Once you find all 36, you are given a puzzle, which when finished gives you the Coat of Arms of "Odessa".




At the end of Week Three's puzzles, another new video from Loki appears. More talk about her recruit. At the end, the word, /more_answers pops up. Going to http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/more_answers/ tells you that when the time is right, Loki will ask you another question. It then shows how many of the puzzles you have solved (48, 12 each week). Another next stage of the Meta Puzzle.

When you complete all of the puzzles, you are given a word search. When you eliminate all the words, you are left with "6b617261." Translating that code from hexidecimal into ASCII results in "Kara."



At the end o Week Four's puzzles, there is another video which directly you to several pages: http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/roamingroaming/.

On 'roamingroaming' there is a set of directions(?) Linking the directional clues given when Loki lowers her glasses, you get ...

  1. Mystery Spot
  2. East 5874.61 miles
  3. North 1049.62 miles
  4. East 1161.79 miles
  5. South 153.48 miles
  6. West 543.55 miles
  7. South 652.2 miles
  8. West 4909.96 miles
  9. South 548.42 miles

Finally, http://www.vanishingpointgame/lokiv gives you the opportunity to guess Loki's name. The first correct answer wins.


L.O.K.I Said she majored in 4 areas in college: Physics, Stage Arts, History, and Folklore

Lorelei - is German Folklore.

Odessa - Ukraine Colony founded by Greece, History

Kara - Asian Comic, South Korea, Stage Arts

I??? - Physics

Best guess for I currently is Irene, Physicist daughter of Chemist Marie Curie. Possible Answer: Lorelei, Odessa, Kara, Irene

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Thins is only a gues. but for the /roamingroaming i believe Thanli is a province or town in china. its not listed on every map i've came across. the catch is i cant locate any programs that will allow me to draw a radius from a point on a global map. idealy if i had a good normal map that was detailed enough to show thanli on it some pins and string id be all set to try it out. i submited a gues that the name are Lorelei, Odessa, Kara, Inari. Inari as in lake Inari. probably wrong on that part.

I also tried an alternitive method wich was close to working. Since they appear to be identical quadruplets. I spent a large amount of time looking up info on that. its a 1 in 11 million birth scenario so there is detailed listings for every birth since the 1930's well mostly more then 80% are detailed enough to carry the children's names (none that match Loki) in between the 1955-1985 (id guess there's in there 20's but just in case). there is a strong possibility there were born to the Zhang/choi famlily in china in 1977 june 17 i believe it said making them 29. but this is all speculation since those records are not detailed for that birth. but its also one of the only identical births i came across that fit into the time period that wasn’t detailed. but that was a stray thought i went to far chasing (still could be a alternate solution to finding them if you had some decent medical journals to research).

To wrap things up if you have a detailed map or map program that contained thanli id start from there. as a side note make sure you remember to cross reference and historical land marks with the radius you draw onto the map. the points after tanli don’t have to be towns, more likely there objects since the miles are detailed enough to have xxxx.XX . i don’t believe the starting point is Odessa, it could be but that would some what negate its use as a name in Loki. the anagram to Latin idea isn't bad and could as well be the starting point. but being as one of the maps i have seen tanli, china on the "MSN live maps" (coughs Microsoft).but anyway's i figured id share my ideas since I'm probably not going to enter in another solution and i only guessed at the answer after spending most of yesterday and last night searching for a means to check my ideas and gave up. i have one more possible idea that I'm going to try its really simple and i doubt its correct so unless i find it to be true i wont be posting it :P

good luck and if you figure it all out be sure to post it.

Don't know if "figured it all out" would be accurate, however, I believe that the last loki name might relate to ionia. A Collective term for a former region of greek cities currently in Turkey. There is alot of references to physics when reading about these people.

Ionia was the birthplace of philosophy, giving the world many of the most famous so-called Presocratic philosophers : Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes, collectively called the Milesians (Miletus) ; Heraclitus (Ephesus) ; Pythagoras (Samos) ; Xenophanes (Colophon) ; Anaxagoras (Clazomenæ). Indeed, Presocratic philosophy is usually presented as opposing the so-called Ionian philosopher on the one hand, more concerned with physics and natural sciences, and the Italic schools on the other hand, dominated by Parmenides and the Eleans, followed by the first Sicilian masters of rhetoric (Tisias of Syracuses, Gorgias of Leontini), more concerned with logic, language and the art of speech.

I started in italy and went to the right 1582.89 miles and down 304.48 miles. (5874.61 + 1161.79 - 543.55 - 4909.96 = 1582.89rt, 1049.62-153.48-652.2-548.42 = 304.48 down (negitive number since i started with up)) I ended up in Turkey and extrapolated Ionia from that. Mostly a guess though. ---